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The crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities.
The dismal showing of India’s expensive French-built Dassault Rafales in its recent war against Pakistan has triggered a wave of recriminations between the Indian and French governments. Not only has the unimpressive display of the Dassault Rafales in the opening phases of the recent conflict come as a shock to the world, but other clients of French defense contractors are having second thoughts.

As was first reported last week, the government of Indonesia has launched an audit of its recent deal with Dassault to purchase a handful of the fighters. Though no reason was given for the audit, it is transparently clear that Jakarta is worried about the poor performance of the Indian-owned Rafales against what many assumed was an inferior Pakistani Air Force.

This week, in order to salvage the Rafale’s reputation, Paris is punching back at New Delhi—pinning the losses on maintenance and pilot error rather than deficiencies in France’s most advanced fighter jet.

India Refuses to Grant French Auditors Access to India’s Rafales
Unconfirmed reports in the international press and across social media indicate that the Indian government is refusing to allow Dassault’s audit team to gain access to India’s arsenal of Rafales. Dassault’s auditors want to inspect the Indian fleet of Rafales to ensure that there are no technical problems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) may have missed.

The Indians are certain to be twitchy about this request. Why? New Delhi understandably fears the French auditors’ main purpose is to shift the blame on the poor performance of the Dassault Rafales onto the IAF itself.


Following the loss of at least one of India’s Rafale jets in the opening phase of its recent war with Pakistan, some have speculated that the Rafales were not the problem at all. Instead, they have insinuated that poor IAF pilot training and lax maintenance standards over the course of many years are to blame. The Indians categorically deny that this is the case. And indeed, though Indian standards may have contributed to the catastrophe, a simpler explanation is more likely: the French are trying to cover for the fact that their complex Rafale jets are no longer superior enough to Pakistan’s Chinese-built aircraft to justify their vastly higher price tag.

India’s Air Force Has Lacked Readiness for Over a Decade
Of course, there is ample evidence to suggest that Dassault, whose pride has been clearly wounded, might have merit to its concerns. After all, in December 2024, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India and the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence reported on a recruitment crisis that was affecting India’s military. According to its reports, the IAF was “grappling with a critical shortage of pilots”—a shortfall that “increased from 486 in February 2015 to 596 in 2021, underscoring the growing challenge in maintaining operations readiness,” as Shivani Sharma of India Today reported on December 20, 2024. The CAG report is even more damning of the IAF’s tireless but ultimately unsuccessful efforts to recruit an additional 222 trainee pilots between 2016 and 2021.

Personnel shortages delayed the attempts by the IAF to repair operational issues with critical training aircraft, such as the Pilatus PC-7-Mk-II. Without reliable training birds, coupled with a serious lack of qualified pilots, the IAF was poised for a failure if war erupted.

As for the Parliamentary Committee, they indicated that the pilot-to-seat ratio of 1.25:1 for fighter aircraft was insufficient for “high-intensity operations” of the kind that defined India’s four-day war with neighboring Pakistan. The IAF then possessed a meager 31 fighter squadrons, when the country’s air doctrine called for a minimum of 42. The IAF then failed to phase out older aircraft and bring in new ones in a timely manner, further degrading its defense readiness.


Clearly, the French auditors are aware of these issues. They were well documented, but ultimately went unaddressed for a decade before the war erupted earlier this month. Nothing the Indian government did to resolve their aircraft and pilot shortages worked.

So, the question then becomes: why did those Rafales get shot down by Chinese-built Pakistani Air Force (PAF) warplanes and their Chinese-made PL-15 air-to-air missiles? Was it because the Indians bought overestimated French weapons and platforms, or was it simply because the Indian military was poorly prepared for the fight at hand?

Of course, the crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities. In other words, despite whatever readiness issues there were with the IAF, they cannot camouflage the problems with the French weapons and warplanes that India was using against Pakistan.

Nor should anyone dismiss the very real strides the Chinese have made in terms of producing systems that are on par with, or perhaps even better in some cases, than the expensive and complex Western systems.

Why Won’t Dassault Share Its Source Code with India?

Meanwhile, the Indians are sharing their displeasure with Dassault, the French maker of the Rafale warplane, publicly. One of India’s biggest gripes against Dassault is that the French firm has persistently refused to share the source code for their Rafales with the IAF, despite India’s position as a longtime client.

While some may assume that this is simply to protect Dassault’s valuable intellectual property, the fact remains that the Indians need access to the source code to ensure seamless maintenance over the avionics suite, the complex mission systems, and to maintain key weapons integration. Failure to hand that over to the IAF by Dassault is needlessly complicating basic operations for an IAF that has already proven itself to be unprepared for high-intensity conflict.

Why is Dassault dragging its heels? Is it because the company fears IP theft? Or is it really because it is worried India might see how badly it was bilked by another Western defense contractor that overcharges, over-promises, and under-delivers?

The Chinese have been having great fun with these stories on social media. After all, why shouldn’t they? Chinese weapons and warplanes outperformed expectations in the war. When news about the inability of India to access Dassault’s source code broke—at roughly the same time India captured an intact Chinese PL-15 missile—one of Beijing’s so-called “wolf warrior” diplomats took to X to mock New Delhi: “India spent $288 million per Rafale, and they don’t even have access to the source code. These Indians also claim they can ‘extract the software’ from the burnt out wreckage of a PL-15 missile. Yet, they can’t even access the core functions of their own Rafale jets?”

While obnoxious, this was a fair question raised by the Chinese account. It highlights the gap between the propaganda surrounding the military supremacy of India and the reality that, while New Delhi certainly has significant capabilities, the application of those capabilities does not comport with the radical claims made by their supporters.

India Needs to Rethink Its Armed Forces

The bottom line is this: for whatever reason one prefers, India was unprepared for the high-intensity of the war with Pakistan at the start. That is why New Delhi rapidly escalated the conflict in a bid to outpace the Pakistanis.

Ultimately, India likely bought the wrong platforms from Western defense contractors who overcharged and underdelivered. While France and India will continue to point fingers at one another, they ultimately share the blame for the obvious failures at the start of the war. India in particular must change course while time remains.
 
There is an obituary thread for some group captain who was killed along with 4 others (rank not specified) at PAF Bholari on the other forum.

Home of the 41 tactical wing.

This wing includes operational conversion units for F-16 and JF-17 fighters, as well as a squadron of Erieye airborne early warning aircraft.

Safe to assume some equipment was also lit up.

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slowly by slowly newj trickling out.. @Vsdoc @Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Guru Dutt
 
Are you saying that India shot down 8 F-16 with MIG21? 🤔
No, but we’re seeing the satellite pics of the carnage on PAF bases no?

And the total silence and noticeable submission of the PAF no?

Zero retaliation no?

What does that tell us?

Let me clarify that…..our weapons suck!
 
There is an obituary thread for some group captain who was killed along with 4 others (rank not specified) at PAF Bholari on the other forum.

Home of the 41 tactical wing.

This wing includes operational conversion units for F-16 and JF-17 fighters, as well as a squadron of Erieye airborne early warning aircraft.

Safe to assume some equipment was also lit up.

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slowly by slowly newj trickling out.. @Vsdoc @Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Guru Dutt

There are news of 13 fighters of Pakistan destroyed. 4 on ground, 9 in air. $ on ground were all F16 with 1 AEWA&C. 9 which were shot down were 4 F-16, 1 J-10, 2JF 17, 2 Mirage V. IAF is in the process of collecting the evidence. When that is done, the official announcement shall be done.
 
There are news of 13 fighters of Pakistan destroyed. 4 on ground, 9 in air. $ on ground were all F16 with 1 AEWA&C. 9 which were shot down were 4 F-16, 1 J-10, 2JF 17, 2 Mirage V. IAF is in the process of collecting the evidence. When that is done, the official announcement shall be done.
Haan, irrefutable evidence as proof mangta.

Though it is understandable they are only releasing small sample of info which may reveal to the enemy some tactics, capabilities.
 
No, but we’re seeing the satellite pics of the carnage on PAF bases no?

And the total silence and noticeable submission of the PAF no?

Zero retaliation no?

What does that tell us?

Let me clarify that…..our weapons suck!

More specifically, Chinese weapons sucked. AD was a total disaster. Turkey Drone was a total disaster.
 
There are news of 13 fighters of Pakistan destroyed. 4 on ground, 9 in air. $ on ground were all F16 with 1 AEWA&C. 9 which were shot down were 4 F-16, 1 J-10, 2JF 17, 2 Mirage V. IAF is in the process of collecting the evidence. When that is done, the official announcement shall be done.
There’s a pall of gloom on our other site and it’s very palpable.

Taxi driver type migrants just making nonsense posts but deep down they know their guts have been ripped out.

It’s all very unsettling to say the least.
 
F-16s not used ? PAF do have AIM 120 equipped new ones, right ?

I feel they're also maybe doing propaganda, propping up Chinese weapons as a favour to them.
 
More specifically, Chinese weapons sucked. AD was a total disaster. Turkey Drone was a total disaster.
All the turkiya drones were destroyed in that hangar hit by three accurate brahmos at murid.

I posted that.

Also at Jacobabad another CH-3/4 hanger was targeted and completely destroyed and the adjacent one damaged!

The 600 or so turkiya small L/Ms and Quads launched were all quickly swatted down.

Aik bhee video from India does not exist of any damage and zero evidence from satellite imagery of any damage.

I told doc a week ago k this is a serious existential issue now and what prevents India from just walking in is trump sahb.

There’s no better way to put the situation into context gents than my post here.

No mofo realizes the gravity of the situation for the US…..not Pakistan, cuz wes just a neocolonial outpost no?

Try to see it from our end guys….

Hamara kya banay ga ab? Trump willing?
 
There’s a pall of gloom on our other site and it’s very palpable.

Taxi driver type migrants just making nonsense posts but deep down they know their guts have been ripped out.

It’s all very unsettling to say the least.
If we'd have lost men, it'd have been all over the news.

Men as in pilots/air warriors.

We took some loses at the border to arty fire, uske vids bhi hai.

Damn near impossible to suppress such huge news of jets being downed.. woh bhi 2 - 3 Rafale, couple flankers, ek Mig 29 bhi bechara gira diya :P
 
If we'd have lost men, it'd have been all over the news.

Men as in pilots/air warriors.

We took some loses at the border to arty fire, uske vids bhi hai.

Damn near impossible to suppress such huge news of jets being downed.. woh bhi 2 - 3 Rafale, couple flankers, ek Mig 29 bhi bechara gira diya :P
Sub jhoot hae Sharma…..just like oh pancho we shot down 99% of Irani mayziles and drones aur hamain Kuchh nahi huwa……

Aaein Saar main aap ko apnay choonturr dikhaon, mujhay Kuchh nahi huwa I’m just fine.

😝

Next thing you see on YouTube 1000 Irani mayziles raining down on israel video’s by every man n his dog….

😝
 

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