[🇦🇫] Pakistan watches with caution as old ally Taliban gets closer to India

[steppeWolff]

They used Harops/ Harpy's supplied by Israel to degrade our AD first.....then volley launched the Scalps, Brahmos and Rampage.

Same as the Syria playbook with heavy ECM/ jamming.

In ko Israel train kar ra hae.

Bilal bhai (Quwa) has done a huge assessment of this entire skirmish.

Our short comings/ failures/ damage incurred/ suggestions/ recommendations/ conclusion.

I'll ask him to post his report because its paid subscription/ pay per view.

Don't know if he will appreciate posting it here without permission.

Yes please. Post the analysis or the snippets so we can further talk about it in the relevant thread.

 

[Vsdoc]

From Chitral to Chaman, people on both sides are the same and daily crossover. Tajiks of Badakshan and Khos of Chitral are very close with each other, people of North Balochistan and South Afghanistan ( Kandhar, Helmand ) are same. Same tribes, same dialects etc.

People are the same. And do not recognise the border made by an alien, where a lot of their contiguous land got artificially joined to Indic lands (and more importantly, people, in numerical and socio-political dominance) in the formation of an artificial rump state.

Poori baat bataya karo.

 

[Vsdoc]

Did you not see the amount of support half of them gave to India to overrun us during our latest issue?

"Our"

@Lulldapull LOL

 

[Vsdoc]

I know that. That wasn't out of hatred but cause of the issue of durand line.

You can google declassified CIA documents from 1960s, there even was talks between Ayub Khan and Afghan King to form a joint confederations of states. So there is that.

Its a long mix bag of history. In 1980s to early 2000s, Pakistan was very popular in Afghanistan. It changed after we gave NATO the supply route via Karachi Torkham into Afghanistan and airbases like Shamsi, Jacobabad etc.

But I think both sides need to settle issues and they are. In recent trilateral meetings in China, Afghanistan is getting integrated in CPEC and Pakistan and Afghanistan are drafting rail agreements too as we speak. All of that getting implemented is another issue considering the track records.

Most sensible Afghan Pashtuns know it isnt happening. Only if Pakistan alienates its own Pashtuns in some unprecedented way.

Afghanistan isnt Pashtun majority. Pakistan has the largest number of Pashtuns on planet and majority of those wants to do nothing with Afghanistan. The reason Afghans call them "Gul Khans" cause they are patriotic to Pakistan instead of Loy Afghanistan.

Gul Khan is equivalent to Jaichand in India.

My friend Pathan Bhai told me that.

 

[Vsdoc]

If our AD was degraded, you still gotta give props to our AD that they shot down majority of missiles and soft killing of majority of drones.

India was going for maximum damage. The number of missiles and drones is testament to that. But the damage was minimum at that is testament to our AD.

I won't call you a Pakistani bhakt.

But there sure is a lot of chooran in your system.

Have you visited Kirana Hills (Have Eyes) lately?

Don't.

 

[steppeWolff]

People are the same. And do not recognise the border made by an alien, where a lot of their contiguous land got artificially joined to Indic lands (and more importantly, people, in numerical and socio-political dominance) in the formation of an artificial rump state.

Poori baat bataya karo

Those people want nothing to with Afghanistan. Borders are already open for free movement so no one cares apart from nationalists who are two few in numbers. I can go to my ancestral village by just driving an SUV across the border. Its too different from you think.

 

[steppeWolff]

I won't call you a Pakistani bhakt.

But there sure is a lot of chooran in your system.

Have you visited Kirana Hills (Have Eyes) lately?

Don't.

Kirana didn't get damaged apart from some craters on the road leading to it. Told me by eyewitness who lives there is a colleague.

India ofcourse was successful to hit alot of places but the damage didn't justify the amount of munitions fired.

Pakistani nuclear systems are spread across the length of country with multiple redundancies. So alot of bhakts saying that India has somehow neutralized the Pakistani nuclear capability is intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Enough evidence of Brahmos debris on X and other social media. Go see it. No one is gonna spoom feed you.

Your top of the line Rafales got butchered. Indian Armed Forces's CDS is on record to agreeing plus tons of debris videos floating around. Again go see it, no one is gonna spoon feed you.

About your harpy drones, they were falling like bricks from sky. Literally videos of farmers in Lahore shooting down one with their Kalashinkovs.

No one from Pakistan is saying some missiles didn't hit, but there is literally no evidence of substantial damage apart from runways with some holes, a slightly damaged C130.

Can you the say the same after losing billions $$ worth of jets?

We don't mind if Brahmos shoot down. We shot down everything you fired. Had you had the capability to shoot down Brahmos, why couldn't you save your 11 air basis? None of your attack successed. None of our attack failed. Your problem is that you knew that you shot down Brahmos after the 3 weeks of war.

Your prime minister said that they had planned an attack in early morning but Brahmos struck meanwhile so that they couldn't strike India. What you say contradicts what your PM said.

 

[Paitoo]

Of course it isn't but that's the entire point. They were the only country not ro recognize Pakistan in 1947 - and many do and did have dreams of Indja destroying us and 'retaking' this land so they can form akhand bharat and greater loy Afghanistan.


@Krishna with Flute @Paitoo

Taliban cannot be trusted

 

[Vsdoc]

Kirana didn't get damaged apart from some craters on the road leading to it. Told me by eyewitness who lives there is a colleague.

India ofcourse was successful to hit alot of places but the damage didn't justify the amount of munitions fired.

Pakistani nuclear systems are spread across the length of country with multiple redundancies. So alot of bhakts saying that India has somehow neutralized the Pakistani nuclear capability is intellectual dishonesty.

Sure.

The secondary mushroom the whole world saw was from "the roads".

US special flights literally an hour after the hit, was for "road inspection".

Special flight from Egypt with an emergency consignment of "road tar"

Completely depopulated villages on a perimeter around the impact sites, because "the roads are out".

Chalo. Happy road building.

 

[Egyptian]

Our airdefence did quite good.

4-5 Brahmos shot down in Sialkot sector, 1 in Malir, 1 Hammer in Lahore, 1 in Jacobabad and many others etc.
But the nature of saturation attacks is such that there always would be some missiles that would get through. Even the much vaunted Israeli AD got breached.

Our ABs didn't get much damage apart from runway damages ( that can be repaired in some hours ) and a damaged C130 from shrapnel which would easily get repaired too.

And all this is despite PAF having only one battery of HQ9BE. We need more long range SAMs from China, HQ19 is coming. Farooqbhai on PDF told that GIDS LOMADS is already ready. That would further strengthen our GBADs network.

And another factor is, our GBAD network started to get developed in AM Sidhus time which is 3 years till now. So its actually a massive progress.

100% agreed.

We need the Iranian model of bases underneath mountains and we have quite expansive mountains from North to South, west of Indus.

@Sharma Ji @Mainerik @shahidul_H @Jiangnan @Bagheera0084

 

[Lulldapull]

I know we got outclassed by India........there's no denying this anymore.

Many of our think tanks including Quwa among others writing about the fallout.

Actually I'm glad this happened, because now we know for sure we were just pedaling Chinese and AL-Turkiyan toys like little children in the sand pit.

India fukkin gamed it in conjunction with the Israeli's and has humiliated us.

If we don't respond, our military is finished as an entity as its respect is already gone!

 

[Lulldapull]

Sure.

The secondary mushroom the whole world saw was from "the roads".

US special flights literally an hour after the hit, was for "road inspection".

Special flight from Egypt with an emergency consignment of "road tar"

Completely depopulated villages on a perimeter around the impact sites, because "the roads are out".

Chalo. Happy road building.

Plane load of radiation absorbing boron powder from Al-Egypt and US provided nuke sniffer beechcraft.

My hunch is something bad has happened.

 

[Vsdoc]

Plane load of radiation absorbing boron powder from Al-Egypt and US provided nuke sniffer beechcraft.

My hunch is something bad has happened.

Its not a hunch.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Its not a hunch.

Pretty irresponsible if we caused a radiation leak there.

 

[Vsdoc]

Pretty irresponsible if we caused a radiation leak there.

Neither side will admit it.

If proven, we can easily become nuclear pariahs.

At the very least ...

 

[Lulldapull]

Pretty irresponsible if we caused a radiation leak there.

Its all hush hush......forget this kiraandda hills bhai we as a nation have been undermined no? Nukes nobody could've/ would've used anyway, not indo-pak people on each other.......hell no!....... Jo damage huway hain they must be US nukes no?

Pretty obvious whats happened here and the desperation of a coverup.

Now Chenab river running dry......

Who got faith in Shehbaz Sharif or Munira Whiskey......?.......gimme a break.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Its all hush hush......forget this kiraandda hills bhai we as a nation have been undermined no? Nukes nobody could've/ would've used anyway, not indo-pak people on each other.......hell no!....... Jo damage huway hain they must be US nukes no?

Pretty obvious whats happened here and the desperation of a coverup.

Now Chenab river running dry......

Who got faith in Shehbaz Sharif or Munira Whiskey......?.......gimme a break.

US nukes ?

I know they store them at Incirlik in Al Turkiye and in most NATO Al Opopba bases, spl in Germany, UK

and NSA Bahrain etc, but probably only if a sub docks there, not in storage hangars type.

 

[Sharma Ji]

gooble sez:

Incirlik Air Base in Turkey hosts US B61 nuclear bombs as part of a nuclear-sharing agreement between the US and Turkey. The base is estimated to store around 20-30 of these bombs.

 

[Lulldapull]

US nukes ?

I know they store them at Incirlik in Al Turkiye and in most NATO Al Opopba bases, spl in Germany, UK

and NSA Bahrain etc, but probably only if a sub docks there, not in storage hangars type.

Many Indian channels speaking on dis Sharma......