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You are typecasting.

Not all Muslim Indian women are Hijabis or Nekabis. Some wear blue hair and mini-skirts. I have known some.

Some Muslim families in India send their kids to Bharata Natyam school, I have been to their Arangetrams (graduation ceremonies). Instead of Hindu Holy text, they touched the Quran before their dance.

Yeah I know - bizarre.

But again, you cannot dump everyone into the same box. All dependent on wealth, societal background, education, secular/non-secular. Just like Hindus.

South Asians are all guilty of this. Muslims are this, Hindus are that.
well just a few days back i had dropped the only Grand Kid... yes i am offically a grandpa ;) :p well my eldest cousin in 64 and his gand child who jsut started going to school i had to drop him to his school and there i was shocked to see a three and half year old muslim child wearing a head scarf and when i asked was it deu to cold she smiled and said there are few muslim girls in school and all of them wear head scarfs while those in senior secondary school 10+2 level were asking for burqa as uniform which demand was rejected by the school administration that only head scarf is allowed ... so please muslims here are doing some many weared things
 
You are typecasting.

Not all Muslim Indian women are Hijabis or Nekabis. Some wear blue hair and mini-skirts. I have known some.

Some Muslim families in India send their kids to Bharata Natyam school, I have been to their Arangetrams (graduation ceremonies). Instead of Hindu Holy text, they touched the Quran before their dance.

Yeah I know - bizarre.

But again, you cannot dump everyone into the same box. All dependent on wealth, societal background, education, secular/non-secular. Just like Hindus.

South Asians are all guilty of this. Muslims are this, Hindus are that.
well what a few educated muslim families do dose not changes what rest 99% of them do and are obsessed about

more than 90% of muslim families even today think breed as many kids as you can to outbreed hindus in Hindustan ..... LAR KE LIYA THA PAKISTAN HASS KE LENGGE HINDUSTAN is there slogan /quomi narra after independence 3.5 corore muslims in 1947 today are well over 28 crore in india and some 6 crore extra illeagel bangladeshi and rohingyas

most muslims do not send there kids to schools or there drop rate out of schools is more than 60% after middle school cause they put there children in menial jobs like machenics or welders or other odd jbs so they eran extra for the family ... even most kids dont go t madarssa where they get free boarding and lodging and food for the same reason and this hapenns in pakistan too

then when they cry HUM GAREEB HO GAYE BJP/MODI KI WAJAH se wo BJP walle Humko naukriya nahi dette ....... but they forget to tell they are not qualified for any such jobs ... who are get the jobs
 
well what a few educated muslim families do dose not changes what rest 99% of them do and are obsessed about

more than 90% of muslim families even today think breed as many kids as you can to outbreed hindus in Hindustan ..... LAR KE LIYA THA PAKISTAN HASS KE LENGGE HINDUSTAN is there slogan /quomi narra after independence 3.5 corore muslims in 1947 today are well over 28 crore in india and some 6 crore extra illeagel bangladeshi and rohingyas

most muslims do not send there kids to schools or there drop rate out of schools is more than 60% after middle school cause they put there children in menial jobs like machenics or welders or other odd jbs so they eran extra for the family ... even most kids dont go t madarssa where they get free boarding and lodging and food for the same reason and this hapenns in pakistan too

then when they cry HUM GAREEB HO GAYE BJP/MODI KI WAJAH se wo BJP walle Humko naukriya nahi dette ....... but they forget to tell they are not qualified for any such jobs ... who are get the jobs

You speak of circumstances which I am not familiar with.

But I can tell you that fertility of Muslim and Hindu women aren't different between Bangladesh and India. So the trope of Muslim families having more children is basically fiction.

Bangladesh fertility rate (child borne per woman) is even lower than India in most cases. And is lower than replacement rate in most areas. So overall population in Bangladesh is in decline.

In India itself - most Hindu majority areas have high fertility rates - mostly in North Indian states like UP, Bihar, MP (basically cow belt BIMARU states with low rates of education).

The second map shows Bangladesh as well which is more recent.

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You speak of circumstances which I am not familiar with.

But I can tell you that fertility of Muslim and Hindu women aren't different between Bangladesh and India. So the trope of Muslim families having more children is basically fiction.

Bangladesh fertility rate (child borne per woman) is even lower than India in most cases. And is lower than replacement rate in most areas. So overall population in Bangladesh is in decline.

In India itself - most Hindu majority areas have high fertility rates - mostly in North Indian states like UP, Bihar, MP (basically cow belt BIMARU states with low rates of education).

The second map shows Bangladesh as well which is more recent.

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well sure Hindus have had high fertility rate but even then you wont find more than 5 kids even in most so called backawrd so called hindu majority places so please

Muslims specially in Bangladesh had a quomi narra "machli khao aut khoob bachhe paida karro" which ws also ammusing even for many west pakistanies even in early 1960s and nothing has changed since

rather same obsession to over breed has come to Indian and pakistani muslims and when they cant fullfill demands of therefamily needs specially children there is frustation and desparation which leads to friction and often crime for which the muslims blame democracy and govt in power and to pacify them so called secular govts in past gave them freebies and even now giving them same while those like BJP who also tell them to get ducation and skills and try to give equal rights to there women muslims in india see them as enemies of islam ... if you can understan muslim imams oppostion to BJP after BJP started giving free education to all muslim girls till post graduation and ednding tripple talaq and hallalla and now wants uniform civil code


go and google and check for yourself what BJP govt has done in education for mulims in past 10 years while what all previous govts had done since independece and also google sachar comeetee report ...cheers mate
 
fall of muslim in education and stutus is related to there over breeding obsession

it was OK to have ten or twelwe kids in times when 7-8 kids died before reaching there teen years but till 1970s with advanced medical and other atributes that infant mortality rate came down almost to 1/10th so still muslims kept doing it to breed out hindus

so when there were two guys both earning say 10000/- per month one had two kids other had 12 tell me the one who had 12 will he be able to give good education or proper food or clothing or things to all his kids just like the one who had just two kids with same income and it kept on repeating genration after genration while the Hindu or sikh genration jumped many points in income deu to education and better skills muslims lagged behind deu to no education or proper food and medical help for almost 70 years and today they blame every one else for there pathettic state than there own misplaced obsession .. funny isnt it ;) :P

To make Muslim believe and practice any absurd thing, one need it to link with Islam irrespective of whether it is in line of Islam or not. Hire some Mullahs, pay them some money, get them issue Fatwa on the name of Islam and your work is done. It is very easy to be done provided you have some money and willingness to get it done.
 
And now they don't want to lick Hindu boots.

So they choose ro be mechanics, darzis, mochis, plumbers, electricians, kasais, drug peddlers, body shop owners (stolen bikes and cars recycling), waiters, rickshaw wallas, etc.

Footpath fashion street type clothes sellers.

The ones with a haath gaddi. Who pack up and run in seconds when the police van comes.
 
Footpath fashion street type clothes sellers.

The ones with a haath gaddi. Who pack up and run in seconds when the police van comes.

Whatever you may say, you are going to hell and will not get a chance to enjoy sex with those beautiful 132 ft women 72 in numbers, where intercourse will last for 600 years. Ultimately, you are looser. You won't get a chance to drink divine wine as well.
 
Whatever you may say, you are going to hell and will not get a chance to enjoy sex with those beautiful 132 ft women 72 in numbers, where intercourse will last for 600 years. Ultimately, you are looser. You won't get a chance to drink divine wine as well.

Please understand that the main concepts of the 3 Abrahamic montheistic world religions are copied from my original ancient Aryan faith.

So rest assured I know what I need to do and where I am headed on my current path.

Aa for virgins, I've had a few in my time. Maybe not 72, but definitely more than 10. They come in all types and shapes and sizes.

The virgin thing is essentially a physical manifestation surrogate of purity. And many virgins are far far from. Sau choohe kha ke wala scene.

But I digress.
 
aaj kal koi virgin voorgin nahi hota shaadi k time

bc gali cricket nahi khela kabhi, chale Lords cricket ground pe test opening krne..

laundian pasand krti hai fuddi maar experts ko
 
Please understand that the main concepts of the 3 Abrahamic montheistic world religions are copied from my original ancient Aryan faith.

So rest assured I know what I need to do and where I am headed on my current path.

Aa for virgins, I've had a few in my time. Maybe not 72, but definitely more than 10. They come in all types and shapes and sizes.

The virgin thing is essentially a physical manifestation surrogate of purity. And many virgins are far far from. Sau choohe kha ke wala scene.

But I digress.

What you say seems totally out of context and not atall in line with whatever I know about Abrahamic faits.
 
What you say seems totally out of context and not atall in line with whatever I know about Abrahamic faits.

Well, you are surely no expert on Zoroastrianism or Abrahamic religions, being a Sanatani, so its understandable.

Zoroastrianism waa a world religion. Spreading from Ireland and Scotland all the way to China and Africa.

It was the base model on which Judaism, then Christianity and finally Islam were built up around, with overarching regional tribal lore and color.

Zoroastrianism (the final distillate if ancient Iranian religion from Mithraism and Manichaeism to offshoots like Babakism, from naturalist to dualist to monotheist) believes that there is only one supreme God, and he is Ahura Mazda (Ormazd).

His word is brought to a people, and linked to their ancestral blood and soil, only qhen they are ready to receive it, and in their moment of greatest need, from one born from them, obe within and of them, for them.

Not before. Not after.

Abraham.

Christ.

Muhammad.

There is a lot of really deep stuff, but I need to be stimulated for the juices to flow. And this place and the membership is not remotely there yet.

Apologies.

Cheers, Doc
 
Well, you are surely no expert on Zoroastrianism or Abrahamic religions, being a Sanatani, so its understandable.

Zoroastrianism waa a world religion. Spreading from Ireland and Scotland all the way to China and Africa.

It was the base model on which Judaism, then Christianity and finally Islam were built up around, with overarching regional tribal lore and color.

Zoroastrianism (the final distillate if ancient Iranian religion from Mithraism and Manichaeism to offshoots like Babakism, from naturalist to dualist to monotheist) believes that there is only one supreme God, and he is Ahura Mazda (Ormazd).

His word is brought to a people, and linked to their ancestral blood and soil, only qhen they are ready to receive it, and in their moment of greatest need, from one born from them, obe within and of them, for them.

Not before. Not after.

Abraham.

Christ.

Muhammad.

There is a lot of really deep stuff, but I need to be stimulated for the juices to flow. And this place and the membership is not remotely there yet.

Apologies.

Cheers, Doc

I have two questions in my mind. I have not mentioned Zoroastrianism at all. Second, So far as I know, Zoroastrianism has little similarities with Abrahamic religion. Their way of worship is different like praying holy fire etc. Taht is why I say that I find a little context in what you say in response to my post. Yes, I accept that I do not have much knowledge of this cults, but I believe that the ultimate test of any Ideology is the impact on society and people at individual level. If that makes you Jahil, brutal and troublemaker without any respect for human rights, there is something seriously wrong with you ideology and there is no need to go into details of those ideology as it is very difficult to dig deep and make fair evaluation.
 
I have two questions in my mind. I have not mentioned Zoroastrianism at all. Second, So far as I know, Zoroastrianism has little similarities with Abrahamic religion. Their way of worship is different like praying holy fire etc. Taht is why I say that I find a little context in what you say in response to my post. Yes, I accept that I do not have much knowledge of this cults, but I believe that the ultimate test of any Ideology is the impact on society and people at individual level. If that makes you Jahil, brutal and troublemaker without any respect for human rights, there is something seriously wrong with you ideology and there is no need to go into details of those ideology as it is very difficult to dig deep and make fair evaluation.

Here we have a Hindu man using the word 'cult' against other religions. Interesting to say the least.
 
Here we have a Hindu man using the word 'cult' against other religions. Interesting to say the least.

It is because religion translates into Dharma though it is not a correct translation. Dharma, is only one. Rest are panths which are for some particular groups. For example Islam is for Muslims only. It is not for humanity as a whole. There are many words in Indian systems which exactly does not translate into English. I used the nearest word which I knew.
 
aaj kal koi virgin voorgin nahi hota shaadi k time

bc gali cricket nahi khela kabhi, chale Lords cricket ground pe test opening krne..

laundian pasand krti hai fuddi maar experts ko

Perhaps you live in a society where it is difficult to find virgins. However, do not generalize it. There are many society where what you say is very uncommon and girl or boy has only one girl or boy in their life. This predominantly common in many areas, societies and communities.
 
I have two questions in my mind. I have not mentioned Zoroastrianism at all. Second, So far as I know, Zoroastrianism has little similarities with Abrahamic religion. Their way of worship is different like praying holy fire etc. Taht is why I say that I find a little context in what you say in response to my post. Yes, I accept that I do not have much knowledge of this cults, but I believe that the ultimate test of any Ideology is the impact on society and people at individual level. If that makes you Jahil, brutal and troublemaker without any respect for human rights, there is something seriously wrong with you ideology and there is no need to go into details of those ideology as it is very difficult to dig deep and make fair evaluation.

Recently on my way to Bombay to catch an early morning international flight, one of my kids asked me, dada do you have any article on how the world will end according to Zoroastrianism?

Me being me gor excited that one of my kids was evolving to this point so early. And I started reading on the phone. And sending excerpts (on WhatsApp).

The pne below caught my eye, in relation to the discussion the two of us are having. Go through it and see if you see the linkage, broader, history of mankind, civilizational, great religions, epochal.

Hint: 3000 years. Three messiahs. At 1000 year intervals.

Hint 2: The third, Saoshyant (who a large chunk of Islam call Mahdi) is yet to come.

Hint 3: (and this I learned recently, from the same child of mine, as told to her by her mama) - A child was recently born to a very poor family in Gujarat. On the night of his birth huge men in white robes came to the door if the house. And told the parents that they were here for the boy. And they would care for him and train him. And take him back with them.

To Iran.

Conclusion: We believe these men were the ancient giant Magii from the core of Mount Damavand.

And the infant boy is (might ve) the Saoshyant.

The world is headed to a climax. And some of us might not be there for it.

@Lulldapull might interest you as well. Share it on your other Zoroastrian / Persian groups.

Zoroastrian Myth of the End
By: Massoume Price


Within Zoroastrianism there are two paths to the end, the end of the individual and the end of the world. The two are related in terms of judgement, individual (soul only) and universal (body and soul after resurrection). The individual is judged based on his or her actions and ends in hell or heaven accordingly. However there is a universal judgement that will decide the fate of the world at the end.

The Zoroastrians believe that the history of the world lasts for 12000 years, with four distinct periods. In the first period good and evil are separated, in the second the good world is invaded by the evil and the third is when the fight between the two forces intensify. In the final period evil is defeated and goodness prevails. The final period is thought to have started with the birth of Zoroaster and still continues. In this last 3000 years Zoroastrians expect three saviours to come at 1000-year intervals. The first one is called Aushedar, ‘the developer of righteousness’. He is to be born from a virgin and is also an offspring of Zoroaster himself whose seed has been preserved in a lake and when the 15 year old virgin baths in the lake she is impregnated and the first saviour is born.

When he reaches the age of 30, the sun stands still for 10 days at the noon-day position. This is where the sun stood before Ahriman (Evil) attacked the perfect world. Through the coming of the saviour some good will prevail and for three years people will live more harmoniously and conditions will improve and the renovation of the universe starts. Some bad and harmful creatures belonging to the forces of evil will perish (like wolves).

The second saviour is called Aushedar-mah and is born the same way. The sun will stand still for 20 days this time and renovation will last for six years and more harmful creatures will perish. The original paradise like and perfect state of the world as it was at the beginning will draw closer. Men stop eating meat, become vegetarian and will only drink water. However this is not the end of the Evil, he will reappear in form of Azhi Dahaka (Zahak in Shahnameh) a monster who was earlier defeated and imprisoned on top of Mount Demavand by the hero Thraetaona (Thahmoureth). The monster will escape, invade the world and will smite the sacred elements, fire, water and vegetation. Another hero Keresapa (Jamshid) will rid the world from this one and power of evil will be further reduced. However Azhi manages to escape.

At the third and final stage, the last saviour Soshyant is conceived the same way and eventually will defeat all the forces of evil. The perfect state of the world arrives with death, disease and all forces of evil and disorder to be defeated forever. Soshyant raises the dead from the spot where life had departed from them. All people will be lead to the place of judgment where they will see their good and bad deeds. The wicket will go back to the hell and the good to heaven for three days and three nights. The last judgement of the individual was only concerned with the soul, while the universal judgement is concerned with both body and soul and involves resurrection of the body. Humans as whole beings are put through several tests like passing through molten metal.

The hot metal has already flowed over the earth and purified the earth and has returned it to a perfect and unified state. The stream of molten metal will sweep over all men and makes them pure and uniform too. The gift of immortality will be conferred when Soshyant, acting as a priest, celebrates the final sacrifice with the last animal (the ox) to die in the service of man. >From the fat of the ox and the mythical White Hom (Haoma a sacred mix used in ceremonies) from the cosmic ocean the elixir of immortality will be prepared. Ahriman and Azhi, will run into Hell to escape and the molten metal will destroy Hell and Azhi. Ahriman becomes impotent and annihilated. With the earth leveled and humans restored to their ideal unity of body and soul the whole creation will be once more the perfect combination of spirit and matter that God intended it to be.

Zoroastrians do not call this the end of the world but name it renovation. Because it is from this time that all good, all knowing and Ahura Mazda, the Lord of Wisdom will succeed. The practicing Zoroastrians today have divided the last period into four lesser periods, each being symbolized by a metal. Gold for the period when the religion was revealed to Zoroaster, silver for the period when king Gashtasb was converted, steel for the Sassanian period and iron for the present age when the religion is declining and Soshyant as yet has to come.
 
It is because religion translates into Dharma though it is not a correct translation. Dharma, is only one. Rest are panths which are for some particular groups. For example Islam is for Muslims only. It is not for humanity as a whole. There are many words in Indian systems which exactly does not translate into English. I used the nearest word which I knew.

You realise that as a sanatani you have pretty much the same concepts as described by me.
 
Recently on my way to Bombay to catch an early morning international flight, one of my kids asked me, dada do you have any article on how the world will end according to Zoroastrianism?

Me being me gor excited that one of my kids was evolving to this point so early. And I started reading on the phone. And sending excerpts (on WhatsApp).

The pne below caught my eye, in relation to the discussion the two of us are having. Go through it and see if you see the linkage, broader, history of mankind, civilizational, great religions, epochal.

Hint: 3000 years. Three messiahs. At 1000 year intervals.

Hint 2: The third, Saoshyant (who a large chunk of Islam call Mahdi) is yet to come.

Hint 3: (and this I learned recently, from the same child of mine, as told to her by her mama) - A child was recently born to a very poor family in Gujarat. On the night of his birth huge men in white robes came to the door if the house. And told the parents that they were here for the boy. And they would care for him and train him. And take him back with them.

To Iran.

Conclusion: We believe these men were the ancient giant Magii from the core of Mount Damavand.

And the infant boy is (might ve) the Saoshyant.

The world is headed to a climax. And some of us might not be there for it.

@Lulldapull might interest you as well. Share it on your other Zoroastrian / Persian groups.

Zoroastrian Myth of the End
By: Massoume Price


Within Zoroastrianism there are two paths to the end, the end of the individual and the end of the world. The two are related in terms of judgement, individual (soul only) and universal (body and soul after resurrection). The individual is judged based on his or her actions and ends in hell or heaven accordingly. However there is a universal judgement that will decide the fate of the world at the end.

The Zoroastrians believe that the history of the world lasts for 12000 years, with four distinct periods. In the first period good and evil are separated, in the second the good world is invaded by the evil and the third is when the fight between the two forces intensify. In the final period evil is defeated and goodness prevails. The final period is thought to have started with the birth of Zoroaster and still continues. In this last 3000 years Zoroastrians expect three saviours to come at 1000-year intervals. The first one is called Aushedar, ‘the developer of righteousness’. He is to be born from a virgin and is also an offspring of Zoroaster himself whose seed has been preserved in a lake and when the 15 year old virgin baths in the lake she is impregnated and the first saviour is born.

When he reaches the age of 30, the sun stands still for 10 days at the noon-day position. This is where the sun stood before Ahriman (Evil) attacked the perfect world. Through the coming of the saviour some good will prevail and for three years people will live more harmoniously and conditions will improve and the renovation of the universe starts. Some bad and harmful creatures belonging to the forces of evil will perish (like wolves).

The second saviour is called Aushedar-mah and is born the same way. The sun will stand still for 20 days this time and renovation will last for six years and more harmful creatures will perish. The original paradise like and perfect state of the world as it was at the beginning will draw closer. Men stop eating meat, become vegetarian and will only drink water. However this is not the end of the Evil, he will reappear in form of Azhi Dahaka (Zahak in Shahnameh) a monster who was earlier defeated and imprisoned on top of Mount Demavand by the hero Thraetaona (Thahmoureth). The monster will escape, invade the world and will smite the sacred elements, fire, water and vegetation. Another hero Keresapa (Jamshid) will rid the world from this one and power of evil will be further reduced. However Azhi manages to escape.

At the third and final stage, the last saviour Soshyant is conceived the same way and eventually will defeat all the forces of evil. The perfect state of the world arrives with death, disease and all forces of evil and disorder to be defeated forever. Soshyant raises the dead from the spot where life had departed from them. All people will be lead to the place of judgment where they will see their good and bad deeds. The wicket will go back to the hell and the good to heaven for three days and three nights. The last judgement of the individual was only concerned with the soul, while the universal judgement is concerned with both body and soul and involves resurrection of the body. Humans as whole beings are put through several tests like passing through molten metal.

The hot metal has already flowed over the earth and purified the earth and has returned it to a perfect and unified state. The stream of molten metal will sweep over all men and makes them pure and uniform too. The gift of immortality will be conferred when Soshyant, acting as a priest, celebrates the final sacrifice with the last animal (the ox) to die in the service of man. >From the fat of the ox and the mythical White Hom (Haoma a sacred mix used in ceremonies) from the cosmic ocean the elixir of immortality will be prepared. Ahriman and Azhi, will run into Hell to escape and the molten metal will destroy Hell and Azhi. Ahriman becomes impotent and annihilated. With the earth leveled and humans restored to their ideal unity of body and soul the whole creation will be once more the perfect combination of spirit and matter that God intended it to be.

Zoroastrians do not call this the end of the world but name it renovation. Because it is from this time that all good, all knowing and Ahura Mazda, the Lord of Wisdom will succeed. The practicing Zoroastrians today have divided the last period into four lesser periods, each being symbolized by a metal. Gold for the period when the religion was revealed to Zoroaster, silver for the period when king Gashtasb was converted, steel for the Sassanian period and iron for the present age when the religion is declining and Soshyant as yet has to come.

@I.R.A
 
I have two questions in my mind. I have not mentioned Zoroastrianism at all. Second, So far as I know, Zoroastrianism has little similarities with Abrahamic religion. Their way of worship is different like praying holy fire etc. Taht is why I say that I find a little context in what you say in response to my post. Yes, I accept that I do not have much knowledge of this cults, but I believe that the ultimate test of any Ideology is the impact on society and people at individual level. If that makes you Jahil, brutal and troublemaker without any respect for human rights, there is something seriously wrong with you ideology and there is no need to go into details of those ideology as it is very difficult to dig deep and make fair evaluation.

We do not pray to the Atash. Nor do we worship fire.

As I said, these are discussions I have very rarely with very few people.
 

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