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[Krishna with Flute]

We do not pray to the Atash. Nor do we worship fire.

As I said, these are discussions I have very rarely with very few people.

Ofcourse we worship fire though not in the same way as Zoroastrians do. Infact, the first verse of Rigveda starts with Mantra of Agni.

अग्निमीळे पुरोहितं यज्ञस्य देवमृत्विजम् । होतारं रत्नधातमम् ॥

Agnimile purohitam – Rig Veda 1.1.1 – in sanskrit with ​

 

[Vsdoc]

Farnkly speaking, I did not fully understand what you say.

That's ok.

Let's move on to other discussions.

 

[Vsdoc]

Ofcourse we worship fire though not in the same way as Zoroastrians do. Infact, the first verse of Rigveda starts with Mantra of Agni.

अग्निमीळे पुरोहितं यज्ञस्य देवमृत्विजम् । होतारं रत्नधातमम् ॥

Agnimile purohitam – Rig Veda 1.1.1 – in sanskrit with ​

Agni is not a Daeva. He was invited by the Daevas to join them. But he refused.

He is what your side calls an Asura. Ours an Ahura.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Agni is not a Daeva. He was invited by the Daevas to join them. But he refused.

He is what your side calls an Asura. Ours an Ahura.

let us not discuss this further. Thread is getting derailed.

 

[Vsdoc]

let us not discuss this further. Thread is getting derailed.

You started it. Just a reminder.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Agni is not a Daeva. He was invited by the Daevas to join them. But he refused.

He is what your side calls an Asura. Ours an Ahura.

Good Morning Doc ... your write with Zoratrian perespective but as per santani or vedic prespective Agni is the most imp Dev and all offerings to devtas go through Agni dev through Yagya done in vedic systems ...Cheers doc
Agni is a son of Brahma as a Pancha Bhuta god. In the Vishnu Purana, Agni, called Abhimāni is said to have sprung from the mouth of the Virāta Puruṣa, the Cosmic Man, a form of Vishnu after being born from Brahma. In another incident later, Agni after being born to Brahma, rises from the ritual fire produced by Dharma and Vasubhāryā.<a href="Agni - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>121<span>]</span></a>

According to the Puranic mythology, Agni married Svāhā (invocation offering) and fathered three sons – Pāvaka (purifier), Pāvamāna (purifying) and Śuchi (purity). From these sons, he has forty-five grandchildren which are symbolic names of different aspects of a fire.

Agni - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Krishna with Flute]

let us not discuss this further. Thread is getting derailed.

Ok. Now I request to end it.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Good Morning Doc ... your write with Zorastroan perespective but as per santani or vedic prespective Agni is the most imp Dev and all offerings to devtas go through Agni dev through Yagya done in vedic systems ...Cheers doc
Agni is a son of Brahma as a Pancha Bhuta god. In the Vishnu Purana, Agni, called Abhimāni is said to have sprung from the mouth of the Virāta Puruṣa, the Cosmic Man, a form of Vishnu after being born from Brahma. In another incident later, Agni after being born to Brahma, rises from the ritual fire produced by Dharma and Vasubhāryā.<a href="Agni - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>121<span>]</span></a>

According to the Puranic mythology, Agni married Svāhā (invocation offering) and fathered three sons – Pāvaka (purifier), Pāvamāna (purifying) and Śuchi (purity). From these sons, he has forty-five grandchildren which are symbolic names of different aspects of a fire.

Agni - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes it is but let us not discuss it further.

ॐ अग्निर्देवता वातो देवता, सूर्यो देवता चन्द्रमा देवता, वसवो देवता रुद्रा देवता, ऽऽदित्या देवता मरुतो देवता, विश्वेदेवा देवता, बृहस्पतिर्देवतेन्द्रो देवता, वरुणो देवता॥ -१४.२०

 

[Vsdoc]

Good Morning Doc ... your write with Zorastroan perespective but as per santani or vedic prespective Agni is the most imp Dev and all offerings to devtas go through Agni dev through Yagya done in vedic systems ...Cheers doc

Even your earlier Rig Vedic texts acknowledge Agni and Indra as Asuras.

Hinduism has morphed, and included many local deities (not Aryan Rig Vedic, but local to the land).

And you have always worshipped Asuras.

The disagreement (and split) was always who was higher in the pantheon of Gods.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Even your earlier Rig Vedic texts acknowledge Agni and Indra as Asuras.

Hinduism has morphed, and included many local deities (not Aryan Rig Vedic, but local to the land).

And you have always worshipped Asuras.

The disagreement (and split) was always who was higher in the pantheon of Gods.

well thats not like it but even if you say is write then both Dev's and Asuras are brothers have same father but with different mothers

Sage Kashyapa is the father of both the asuras and the devas, who are born of his two wives Diti and Aditi respectively. This is symbolic of the good and evil inherent not only in nature and the external world but also within each individual.

Kashyapa - Wikipedia

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[Vsdoc]

well thats not like it but even if you say is write then both Dev's and Asuras are brothers have same father but with different mothers

As I said, its been over 5000 years since the split.

Narratives change in 10, as seen in India over the last decade.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

well thats not like it but even if you say is write then both Dev's and Asuras are brothers have same father but with different mothers

@Guru Dutt ji,

None of us have fair degree of the knowledge on the subject so let us not discuss it.

 

[Vsdoc]

@Guru Dutt ji,

None of us have fair degree of the knowledge on the subject so let us not discuss it.

I have a fair degree of knowledge on my heritage.

So I disagree.

True knowledge comes from reading both (all) sides, and then using your own cognition and judgment.

In the absence of that, there is only blind faith and organised institutionalized religion.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

I have a fair degree of knowledge on my heritage.

So I disagree.

True knowledge comes from reading both (all) sides, and then using your own cognition and judgment.

In the absence of that, there is only blind faith and organised institutionalized religion.

Ok. Cheers.

 

[Vsdoc]

Ok. Cheers.

Cheers

 

[Guru Dutt]

Thing is now Muslims of India are divided into three groups

1. which are 90% who are so called Labhartees of all central govt schemes & freebies but are highly intoxicated with anty Hindu and all kinds of paranoia against the indian state and the main VOTE BANK of so caalled Seckilar parties

2. so called Muslim Middle class that has artisans and metal workers or cooks that have relatively better life style and swing between hard core islam in differnt sects and polictical parties

3. 1% of muslims who are educated and in govt or private jobs and upper or middle class of india and so called Ashrafia class of mulsim's who take decission for rest of the muslims


but the common between all of them is they all hate evry and any one who wants them to be traeted as equal with equal rights like other hindus without any special & VOTE BANK related privilages or appeasment & freebies

 

[Sharma Ji]

Indra was cursed for something, right ?

Sir ne kuch harkat ki thi

Lemme Google

 

[Sharma Ji]

Ahh, budtameez devta tha... Krishan Ji ke saath bhi he tried pulling some stunt.. but Krishan ji ne mountain ki hi bana di

Very nice stories in our tradition

 

[Lulldapull]

Anybody wants to know about the first organized monotheistic religion of the Aryan people, I suggest joining 'Aryan Zoroastrian Iran' page of where we all connect on fb.

My friend Khoshnood Irani runs the page and there are dozens of Zoroastrian members, Dasturs and Mobeds to answer all your weird questions about why you are here on this planet.

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ایران آریایی زرتشتی​

 

[Lulldapull]

Indian Persian interaction'd bhai: