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America's critics of Israel: Not just wokeness and antisemitism

A staple of the Israeli nightly news these days is a roundup of global antisemitism and support for Hamas. The shocking demonstrations at Columbia University – my once-beloved alma mater – took center stage this week.
Viewers might conclude we are reliving 1930s Germany, with Jew-hatred spiraling while the forces of civilization are routed.
Can it be this bad? Is it a psychosis driven by celestial events? Is Israel at all to blame? An accounting seems in order.

Time for accounting to understand what is going on

To be sure, I have myself derided "progressives" who deploy selective, ignorant, and twisted narratives of decolonization against Israel. In TV interviews I have called them the "useful idiots" of jihad – a far stupider version of the originals, Western intellectuals sympathetic to the (incredibly) less vile Soviet Union.
I have also bemoaned the indisputable revelation that antisemitism is not only alive and well but more widespread than had been thought.
 Demonstrators sit in an encampment as they protest in solidarity with Pro-Palestinian organizers on the Columbia University campus, amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, in New York City, US. April 19, 2024. (credit: CAITLIN OCHS/REUTERS)
Demonstrators sit in an encampment as they protest in solidarity with Pro-Palestinian organizers on the Columbia University campus, amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, in New York City, US. April 19, 2024. (credit: CAITLIN OCHS/REUTERS)
At the same time, one might plausibly argue that much of what gets labeled antisemitism is just opposition to the war (or perhaps to Israel itself), purposely brash and loud in order to discomfit Jews and move opinion.
I might not always like it, but a proponent of free speech cannot bar it. I also know many critics are mainly not supportive of the Israeli government's actions, which include a very flawed war that has killed many thousands of innocents and appears to lack a strategy. A different story coming from Jerusalem could sway them.
To better understand how US support of and opposition to Israel is broken down, I offer the following breakdown of Americans' stance on the matter.
Pro-Hamas Muslim Americans or extreme progressive anti-colonialists: Perhaps 5%.
Many of them don't believe or don't care about the October 7 atrocities and hope Hamas will overwhelm Israel with no regard for the fate of the Jews. This group should be carefully monitored as their anti-Israel, anti-Zionist activities barely mask the fact that they hate Jews, and some of them are dangerous.
Pro-Palestinian progressives and liberal young people: About 20%.This group shows varying degrees of support for the Palestinians and are exposed to information real and fake that highlights Israeli bad behavior in Gaza.
They generally resent US tax money being spent to assist mass bombings, hunger, and potentially, in their view, genocide. Israel has lost them because its story today is one of forever war and punishment of Palestinian women and children, with extremists in Israel wanting to kill and expel them.
Many of them are deeply swayed by social media culture that makes everything a battle of narratives and Israel is currently being "canceled."
Israel could dent this group substantially with a regional peace and cooperation initiative that includes the Palestinians and is generous toward civilians while continuing to fight Hamas aggressively.
This would pave the road for wider legitimacy to fighting Hamas to the finish, now or in the future – but making it distinct from anything resembling a war on the Palestinians.
Instead, Netanyahu drove them away with outrageous policies, including the 2023 Putinization effort, sneering indifference to Israel's traditional alliance with the democratic West, and stubborn refusal to engage in the world community's day-after plan.
Pro-Israel liberals including some Jews: About 25%.
This group recognizes the fundamental right of Israel to defend itself, doesn't believe Israel should have carte blanche but definitely doesn't support Islamic radicals, and understands that they're insane and must be dealt with. But they lament Israel's failure to grasp opportunities to escape this cycle, hate Netanyahu and his endless machinations against peace, and don't want Israel to drag the US into a regional or even global war.
Nonetheless, they still support Israel, distinguish between the benighted government and the Israeli people, and hope the US will find a way to push Israel in the right direction, largely supporting President Joe Biden's policies.
Non-MAGA classic conservatives and "concerned Christians": About 15%.These largely support Israel but are concerned about the huge amounts of money, the destruction and death in Gaza, and the risk of the US losing control.
Some of them are concerned about the way US technology is being used to harm Palestinians including Christians in Gaza. Tucker Carlson may not be what he once was in terms of influence, but it should be a warning sign when you lose him, as Israel appears to have done.
It must also be remembered that these types of besuited conservatives were not necessarily pro-Israel. When George W. Bush won the White House 24 years ago, there was real concern that his fellow travelers were so pro-business that they cared about practicalities only and would side with the Arabs if only for the oil interests that might serve.
History, of course, took a different turn.
Trump republicans, Evangelists, and right-wing, religious, and "one issue" (Israel's survival) Jews: About 35%.
This group features full-throated support of Israel, little love or trust of Islam, and a healthy hatred of extremist groups like Hamas.
They think Biden and the US should never sanction or constrain Israel and that Israel's government (preferably right-wing) should be able to do what it wants.
Most would probably support a peace agreement, depending on terms, but they are overwhelmingly in favor of the war.
Many of the Evangelicals are of the type that believe in a preordained end-of-days scenario that requires Israel to arise, fight, and ultimately be wiped out in some fashion for the Messiah to return. That will make them quite favorable to Israeli pyromaniacs today.
But this group is volatile. If Donald Trump returns to office there is no telling what he might do.
If he comes out against war with Iran or turns on Israel for whatever reason, much of his cult will abandon Israel faster than you can say "Yahya Sinwar." That's partly because the far Right can teach the clueless progressives a thing or two about true-blue antisemitism.
WHILE YOU could dig deeper and come up with more granular differentiations, this seems a reasonable way to group the body politic, which also roughly aligns with broader US voting patterns.
I cannot prove the breakdowns are exactly as I've outlined, thus is my best estimate based on over a half-century of following American politics, and two decades of watching the digital-driven freak show unravel.
Look carefully, and you'll see that the numbers I propose do align with polls that show that although many want the war to end, when pushed into a binary choice a strong majority of Americans back Israel – while about half the youth do not.
It is a complex picture – not as bleak as catastrophists and propagandists might have you believe. And on Israel, movement is possible. To understand why, consider how radically the world view of America changed with the election of Donald Trump, as the Pew Research Center has shown and as anyone who has traveled knows.
And just as there are very different versions of America as a function of which side ekes out an election victory, so it is with Israel.
The easiest way to move US sentiment is to win the war and seek regional peace, instead of blundering into a decades-long descent into madness.
And it's possible: Largely because of shared fear of radical Islam and Iran, and especially with enough carrots, moderate Arab states, and moderate Palestinians would join with the West and a benign version of Israel.
President Biden has proposed a version of this, which would include restoring the Palestinian Authority in Gaza and reaping peace with Saudi Arabia. Netanyahu appears to have rejected all this.
He has done so chiefly to keep the far-right snug and secure in his coalition. In the view of masses of Israelis, he also seeks to prolong the war – because for as long as a war can be said to be going on, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu can scheme to delay the inevitable reckoning over October 7, and his likely defenestration.
Rarely has a forever war so served a political purpose.
This path endangers global and US Jewry by conflating being against the war with being antisemitic. And its proponents are playing with fire, since the ensuing conflagration will not spare the pyromaniacs.
If even a part of this analysis is correct, then the government's behavior could fairly be labeled treasonous. Viewed through that prism, Israel has a bigger problem than a bunch of clueless students.
The writer is the former chief editor of The Associated Press in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, the former president of the Foreign Press Association in Jerusalem, and the author of two books about Israel. Follow his newsletter "Ask Questions Later" at danperry.substack.com.
 

Lulldapull

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Full credit for all dis goes to da IRGC…..hands down…..😝

The images/vidz of jahil Al-Balastinian masoom gettin killed like kuttay/ billyaan has had a huge impact all over da planet.

Irans seriously fukked Israel up along moral/ethical/religious/humanitarian lines. Ghareebon ko ye baat samajh nahi aani. Isra-heel key bhund lugga dee hae Iran nay, without much effort. Irans practically delegitimized Israel.

Aaaaahahahahaaaaaa😝
 

Old School

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Full credit for all dis goes to da IRGC…..hands down…..😝

The images/vidz of jahil Al-Balastinian masoom gettin killed like kuttay/ billyaan has had a huge impact all over da planet.

Irans seriously fukked Israel up along moral/ethical/religious/humanitarian lines. Ghareebon ko ye baat samajh nahi aani. Isra-heel key bhund lugga dee hae Iran nay, without much effort. Irans practically delegitimized Israel.

Aaaaahahahahaaaaaa😝
Without Iranian involvement, the status quo would be the same for another 100 years. It is the Persian homeopathy treatment. First, make the symptom severe, and then it is treated.
 

Lulldapull

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Without Iranian involvement, the status quo would be the same for another 100 years. It is the Persian homeopathy treatment. First, make the symptom severe, and then it is treated.
It’s over bro…..everybody knows it…..

This IRGC is truly da judge, jury and executioner….😝

Toba toba toba!

Hard to believe we refuse to learn from these wily Persians. They’ve been playing dis game for so long, they’ve mastered it.

Aur idher hum ghareeb betthay hain gay? Not a clue on what’s up.

My ghaaddd!
 

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It’s over bro…..everybody knows it…..

This IRGC is truly da judge, jury and executioner….😝

Toba toba toba!

Hard to believe we refuse to learn from these wily Persians. They’ve been playing dis game for so long, they’ve mastered it.

Aur idher hum ghareeb betthay hain gay? Not a clue on what’s up.

My ghaaddd!
Playing obedient Saudi ( or GCC) servants is the ultimate dream of our people. Don't expect anything from them. Let them have biryani- kabab and play cricket .
 

Lulldapull

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If we somehow involve these badmash irani’s into our kashmir boondoggle…..I bet they’d come up wid a totally wicked solution.

It’s worth a try, otherwise why have all the commrarderie and shared heritage and civilization?

A smart jharrnail of ours needs to start payin attention at the dressing down and hopeful dismantling of the Zionist entity.
 

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If we somehow involve these badmash irani’s into our kashmir boondoggle…..I bet they’d come up wid a totally wicked solution.

It’s worth a try, otherwise why have all the commrarderie and shared heritage and civilization?

A smart jharrnail of ours needs to start payin attention at the dressing down and hopeful dismantling of the Zionist entity.
We already have the most important part of Kashmir, which borders the Wakhan Corridor; the Chinese have Aksai-Chin. That is it. Unofficially, we have already given up the rest of Kashmir. Indians know it, we know it. Civilians like you keep crying for it. Nothing more. It is settled.
 

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We already have the most important part of Kashmir, which borders the Wakhan Corridor; the Chinese have Aksai-Chin. That is it. Unofficially, we have already given up the rest of Kashmir. Indians know it, we know it. Civilians like you keep crying for it. Nothing more. It is settled.
but we shud lay out our case at least. In da interests of umma chumma. If Al-Balastinian stealin all da thunder, why not our poor old ghareebon waala khwaab? We also have dreams!
 

Muji.Iqbal

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Although the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not a Pakistani Muslim's problem. I do believe Two State Solution is the answer to the problem.

The whole world sympathizes with Palestine. The Zionists did steal land from the Palestinians (Muslims and some Christians).

The Palestinians have my "moral" support.
 

4MikeEcho

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Obsessing with hyper strength of IRGC? Seriously?

This is America’s brightest (Jews and otherwise) that are showing themselves and protesting and starting a movement that has precedence in ending Apartheid, Vietnam War, and support for Civil Rights.


Don’t assume that Americans are a bunch of losers of low IQ waiting for some bearded Iranian commander to coerce them into doing. Their bidding.

All of Iran’s missiles are not as big a threat to Israel’s existence as the university students across a 100 campuses that read and see what happens and won’t tolerate the old line that Israel is poor defenseless soul that needs everybody’s mercy. That phase of Israel is over.

The atrocities are blatant and it’s visible and about a generation behind. The intifadah In late 90s would have gotten a similar reaction except then Israelis were using rubber bullets, not JADMs. That and the fact OBL showed up on the scene in Sept 2001 and every in Mideast other than zionists were terrorists.

The funny thing those mouthpieces that are claiming this movement to be anti-Semitic are being laughed at as lots of Jews are in these movements.

This would be similar to say Muslims taking out protests here against Saudis killing Yemenis. Most Muslims dont care for Saudi policies just as most Jews don’t care for Israel’s
 

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Obsessing with hyper strength of IRGC? Seriously?

This is America’s brightest (Jews and otherwise) that are showing themselves and protesting and starting a movement that has precedence in ending Apartheid, Vietnam War, and support for Civil Rights.


Don’t assume that Americans are a bunch of losers of low IQ waiting for some bearded Iranian commander to coerce them into doing. Their bidding.

All of Iran’s missiles are not as big a threat to Israel’s existence as the university students across a 100 campuses that read and see what happens and won’t tolerate the old line that Israel is poor defenseless soul that needs everybody’s mercy. That phase of Israel is over.

The atrocities are blatant and it’s visible and about a generation behind. The intifadah In late 90s would have gotten a similar reaction except then Israelis were using rubber bullets, not JADMs. That and the fact OBL showed up on the scene in Sept 2001 and every in Mideast other than zionists were terrorists.

The funny thing those mouthpieces that are claiming this movement to be anti-Semitic are being laughed at as lots of Jews are in these movements.

This would be similar to say Muslims taking out protests here against Saudis killing Yemenis. Most Muslims dont care for Saudi policies just as most Jews don’t care for Israel’s

General Zia-ul-Haq's units had their role in the Black September massacre of the Palestinians in 1970-71 on behalf of the Jordanian Army. It is a sharp contrast to what ordinary people know about the government policy towards the Palestinians. Later, Zia-ul-Haq was rewarded by the CIA during his coup, which overthrew ZA Bhutto, and he spearheaded the epic disaster of the Afghan policy by hosting the mujahedin against the Soviets.
 

Lulldapull

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Obsessing with hyper strength of IRGC? Seriously?

This is America’s brightest (Jews and otherwise) that are showing themselves and protesting and starting a movement that has precedence in ending Apartheid, Vietnam War, and support for Civil Rights.


Don’t assume that Americans are a bunch of losers of low IQ waiting for some bearded Iranian commander to coerce them into doing. Their bidding.

All of Iran’s missiles are not as big a threat to Israel’s existence as the university students across a 100 campuses that read and see what happens and won’t tolerate the old line that Israel is poor defenseless soul that needs everybody’s mercy. That phase of Israel is over.

The atrocities are blatant and it’s visible and about a generation behind. The intifadah In late 90s would have gotten a similar reaction except then Israelis were using rubber bullets, not JADMs. That and the fact OBL showed up on the scene in Sept 2001 and every in Mideast other than zionists were terrorists.

The funny thing those mouthpieces that are claiming this movement to be anti-Semitic are being laughed at as lots of Jews are in these movements.

This would be similar to say Muslims taking out protests here against Saudis killing Yemenis. Most Muslims dont care for Saudi policies just as most Jews don’t care for Israel’s
Irans instigated all dis. The rest of da deen miskeen don’t know their ass from a hole in da ground.

Irans totally winnin bro. Rest of da Muslim world is irrelevant. The rest of da muzlims been conditioned to just say namaz at home n keep rozay and just before dyin go perform hajj.

That’s the extent of dem playin muzlim.
 

Lulldapull

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Although the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not a Pakistani Muslim's problem. I do believe Two State Solution is the answer to the problem.

The whole world sympathizes with Palestine. The Zionists did steal land from the Palestinians (Muslims and some Christians).

The Palestinians have my "moral" support.
Iqbal bhai if irani turani has highlighted Al-Balastinian cause, then Irani turani also need to highlight our ghareeb cause in Kashmir. We are also ghareeb and we need assistance because our leaders don’t care.
 

4MikeEcho

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Irans instigated all dis. The rest of da deen miskeen don’t know their ass from a hole in da ground.

Irans totally winnin bro. Rest of da Muslim world is irrelevant. The rest of da muzlims been conditioned to just say namaz at home n keep rozay and just before dyin go perform hajj.

That’s the extent of dem playin muzlim.
I am going to leave Iran out of this as you seem to be over-obsessed by it.

Its one thing for the ONE country to stand up to Israel and appreciate it militarily or otherwise but another to attribute every action to them. They can't even instigate the lazy 1BN muslims in their countries but somehow they penetrated the elite American education system?

If this was some grand plan that by maiming 200,000K gazans they would start these protests thatn Iran is a loser from day 1.

Iran must have been behind the anti-apartheid movement, and not to forget the movement that brought an end to the Vietnam War, which also started similarly with America's brightest at its universities. The police were more brutal back then.
 

Lulldapull

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I am going to leave Iran out of this as you seem to be over-obsessed by it.

Its one thing for the ONE country to stand up to Israel and appreciate it militarily or otherwise but another to attribute every action to them. They can't even instigate the lazy 1BN muslims in their countries but somehow they penetrated the elite American education system?

If this was some grand plan that by maiming 200,000K gazans they would start these protests thatn Iran is a loser from day 1.

Iran must have been behind the anti-apartheid movement, and not to forget the movement that brought an end to the Vietnam War, which also started similarly with America's brightest at its universities. The police were more brutal back then.
I’m only attributing Gaza to them, along wid hezb, hamas, PIJ/ PFLP and hoosi baaghi and PMUs and da Syrian army and perhaps 10 other militias. What if Iran just sat there in da ghareeb corner like Pakistan does and refused to do nuthin?
 

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I’m only attributing Gaza to them, along wid hezb, hamas, PIJ/ PFLP and hoosi baaghi and PMUs and da Syrian army and perhaps 10 other militias. What if Iran just sat there in da ghareeb corner like Pakistan does and refused to do nuthin?
What is Iran in the Pakistani context? You really have to get to know the Pakistani context very well, and please see the image below which Iran means for Pakistan :

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I think one zio student's comment in one campus summed it up,

"This anti-semitic Palestinian-supporter woman gave me these really dirty looks - I felt sooooo unsafe and violated as a person. Campuses aren't safe for us Zios anymore."

Then you have the current inquisition of the Columbia University President Minouche Shafik by the zio-lobby in the US and their republican shills, just too naked and vicious on why she cannot control anti-Zio (in the guise of anti-Semite) activity in her campus. She should have every one of these students drawn and quartered I guess, yes even the peacenik yahoods, bless them.

Seems a lifetime of trying to be a Zio-shill (both in the UK and the US) and even being personally married to a Yahood will not eventually help you, these Zios will drive you across the canyon-edge - jumping into your death. They will demand nothing less.
 

Lulldapull

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I think one zio student's comment in one campus summed it up,

"This anti-semitic Palestinian-supporter woman gave me these really dirty looks - I felt sooooo unsafe and violated as a person. Campuses aren't safe for us Zios anymore."

Then you have the current inquisition of the Columbia University President Minouche Shafik by the zio-lobby in the US and their republican shills, just too naked and vicious on why she cannot control anti-Zio (in the guise of anti-Semite) activity in her campus. She should have every one of these students drawn and quartered I guess, yes even the peacenik yahoods, bless them.

Seems a lifetime of trying to be a Zio-shill (both in the UK and the US) and even being personally married to a Yahood will not eventually help you, these Zios will drive you across the canyon-edge - jumping into your death. They will demand nothing less.
I just don’t understand what these Isra-heeli got as power over the US other than the financial industry. I mean it’s just insane how blindly the US is supporting this regime in Tel Aviv.
 

Bilal9

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I just don’t understand what these Isra-heeli got as power over the US other than the financial industry. I mean it’s just insane how blindly the US is supporting this regime in Tel Aviv.

In the last 100 (50 really) years they have infiltrated the power structure in the US and made that Zio country the 51st state of the US. They not only control Wall Street, they also control the media, most of the critical industrial processes like Pharma and Hi-Tech - you name it, they are in a position to influence the economy here in the US. This is fact.

Avg. "Isra-heelis" live a way higher standard of living than most people in the US.

Isra-heel runs on yearly financial contribution from the US in the tens of Billions. Their own economy is also way better than even the oil-rich gulf states.

To legitimize this contribution to Isra-heel (and make Egyptians happy), the US feds also supply Billions to Egypt every year.

If I was in power in either of these countries - why would I complain?
 

Muji.Iqbal

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Even if Israel has lost the support of American Universities.

The Israeli lobby is still very strong in USA such as AIPAC.

But we will have to wait and see.

Maybe Justice will prevail in this world. Two State Solution, people!
 

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